Alien Anomalies

This really is a fascinating area and we have lots more things to look at.

There are lots of images of the area I am going to highlight, they are taken from the NASA Rover Raw Images at http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity_p749.html

I tend to work with the raw images in black and white for the rovers as its far easier on my eyes than the other ones.

I have highlighted the areas of interest in this image and numbered them. We have examined the area numbered 5 in another post and someone suggested it looked like a chain ??

Image number 1P194675395ESF645NP2543L5M1



Qmantoo posted the highlighted area in a post about things coming out of rocks. This much clearer view suggests something far more disturbing (in my opinion) as well as supporting the theory of transparant structures in Payson

Image number 1P194675277ESF645NP2543L2M1



There are plenty of really good quality images of this area on the page listed above for you to have a look at and then we can discuss what others may see there ...

TW, these are the images I mentioned to you a few months ago...

More digital facts The arrow points to a structure that are relatively easy to see.

thewatcher wrote:

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You've commented on , what I can only describe as 2% of the anomaly? ... what about the other 98%? The pedestal? The raised relief?

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The "nail" was significant to several members but was trivial to prove that the hypothesis has no merit. All it took was one counterexample to show the hypothesis false.

The pedestal and raised relief require more research. Many images (left Pancam, right Pancam, different filters) need to be examined, and combined to give the best possible image. Searches of images of the same rock on different days from different angles need to be carried out. I have found some, but do not think they provide any useful information.

Coming to a conclusion about the rock requires far more work than proving that a small rock in the distance was not a nail head. I am continuing to look at the issue, but do not have anything conclusive yet.

 

OBrien wrote:

Clearly "nail head" is on ground in distance far beyond rock

Hi all , Thread has expanded interestingly guys..

Just need to deal with a couple of things.. The Nail on the head.. Actual the flat top of the nail on the head.. I haven’t had time to check it but It sounds completely viable (will check when ive got time).. Just one thing.. You've commented on , what I can only describe as 2% of the anomaly? Triumphantly, I may add.. GJ lol (slipped my mind to check 2nd image cheers)... what about the other 98%? The pedestal? The raised relief?   and what the other contributers have found?  Im sure the fence you sit on must be buckling under the weight of ones thoughts?

With regards O’Brian’s images of pedestal.. He is absolutely right.. I have stated a number of times over the months, that gray scale on lower res gives more detail than what s commonly believed hires would.. I find it an interesting paradox, O’Brian, as Chandra noticed the consequence of this interesting quirk. More detail, in this case, structural anomalies (I see them Chandre). Your post ended with no other thoughts?  Very interesting.

I stated in my original post that I was posting an unaltered image..  (ok I altered the size).  That was a very deliberate act.

Heres where the tech heads got a headache:

I don’t see any mention of this in your posts O'Brian but I think its important for readers to know the full story of the fly in the ointment for most so called color  imaging experts.

Heres  a taster from a paper by Ron L. Levin*, Lockheed Martin IS&S, Building 5,

1300 S. Litchfield Road, Goodyear, AZ85338-1599 ABSTRACT

 

As of 2004, five scientific spacecraft have successfully landed on the surface of Mars. Each of these spacecraft have carried, among other instruments, at least one color imaging system; however, the color calibration of images returned from Mars has been a source of continuing difficulty since the first pictures from the Viking 1 lander in 1976. All five lander imaging systems were calibrated on Earth prior to launch. Additionally, four of these five landers had onboard calibration in the form of color calibration charts which were held out in the ambient Mars illumination. Calibrations of these color imaging systems made on Earth have proved unreliable due to the long time elapsing between instrument calibration and its actual use on the surface of Mars. Color calibration charts held in Martian ambient light have not completely solved the problem because the coloration of the ambient illumination is still unknown. Current scientific opinion holds that large amounts of red dust in the Martian atmosphere renders both the direct lighting and the scattered skylighting to be heavily colored toward the red. This means that color calibration charts, whether in direct sunlight or in shadow, appears redder on the surface of Mars than they would under ordinary lighting conditions on Earth1. As a result of this uncertainty in Martian illumination, the final published images from the Martian surface show a great variation in color calibration. Published images show sky colorations from gray to pink to orange. Landscape colorations have similar variations2.

Read full doc here

That’s why I find it so interesting that bandwidth is chewed up on TRUE color when it should be called Best Approx Color. Being honest its best guess wrapped in a pile of algorithms with a few important variables missing, like TRUE incidental/ambient light readings etc. Unfortunately, this also affects the grayscale images too as they are calibrated as color. Now all this sounds quite glib, on the contrary, its good news,  more detail can be recovered and in some cases we can get under the tampering.

 

@FRUIT hey, love the image

 

 

Ive long thought there was more on the panel. I can just see it in your enhancements.. It seems to be attached to the raised insignia. Better check with second image or im sure OB will spot it.. Could do ith MarsRocks  animation.
Great job.

 

Ive been away with family so its been hard to post these last couple of days.  Fascinating posts just so little time these days to enjoy the debates.

 

Chandre - GOGOG -Iceman -Gmantoo-  great posts too.

(Qmantoo edited out the formatting part at the top. Hope you did not need it for anything!)

 

 

I suggest OB opens a thread on image quality.. as i dont really want that subject to drown out the hunt around Payson Crater.

-- Edited by qmantoo on Tuesday 31st of August 2010 04:12:00 AM

 More expanded stuff from the Payson

TW, theres a solar glyph on the left side of the column. I noticed it in Fruttys image and took a closer look at OBriens images and there it is, clear as day.

Iceman, this is a fascinating are. I can't wait to see what you think of the left section of this panorama...BUT...you must look at the black and white images.

Heres a number to get you started

1P194675395ESF645NP2543L5M1

These clips from the main image appear at first sight not much to arouse interest.
I want to ask you to focus on these images.

Imagine you're viewing photos taken from a considerable height, and these images are of the earth.
You can see many details not covered by category gravel, rock and sand. Good luck.

 

Several items for further consideration.

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These are just little bits of big. This project is not completed, it is still much to see beyond the dirty window.

Going back to the original images, the "nail" head is conclusively proved to be a small rock in the distance, about 1.5 m beyond the rock.

Image from left Pancam
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Image misinterpreted as nail head on top of rock




Image from right Pancam
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Clearly "nail head" is on ground in distance far beyond rock.

ICEMAN

LOL, Q I did not mention it as you had already pointed out it was far too easy...

Its there, clear as daylight, the pedestal, the glyph and the 'nail' and something transparant around it all....BUT, in context of the rest of the image....what is it ?

I think we need to understand the larger picture in this case to understand what the pedestal means.

Gmantoo I can understand ur frustrations so I'll do my best to be as CLEAR as possible!

I gave the location of anomaly in image below + the links to 3 Formats available from JPL.

I purposefully avoid arrows (when possible) as  We are interested in images that mostly stand out for themselves! This is an ethos that we try our best to stick to. This allows us to filter out as much background distractions as possible. Believe it or not we dont enjoy using SPARTAN Imaging techniques to reveal some anomalies, due to the constant arguments  about  creating anomalies from our interventions. Of course this is far from the truth, in most cases but we do keep an eye on that inherent  problem.


This small structure (in image insert) raises the game in anomaly hunting. Standing at around 12 inches high,  The pedestal slope's gently forward . The panel section slopes at an angle of 45 deg's. A raised single relief pattern  can be seen on angled fascia on top of pedestal .. At the highest point of the panel is a thin nail like object. 

Now, I presumed you could see this obvious anomaly standing way above the surrounding terrain? Its very very clear and theres no need to point an arrow at it.  The insignia on the angled panel was the icing on the cake!



(Panel Close-Up above)

Below has a yellow box showing exactly where it is in relation to landscape!



And then the final image Showing anomaly below..

Your response was this:

Thats too easy. give us a harder one !!! haha

Now forgive me if im wrong, i presumed through your sarcasm that you'd acknowledged the find?

I had very little else to say on the matter at that point and was waiting to see if anyone would respond.

After ICEMAN and Chandre stated to dig thoroughly around the site (great work I must say) You stated this:

No-one has found the ice carving yet then ?

Not quite sure what Iceman has found. Can't really identify them at all.

So I waited to see what you were talking about...

You posted this image..



I could see your outline but We thought  it was a crop area of a dubious nature blurring and cutting out structures underneath which were connected to the cabling coming out of the bottom left  of the anomaly. I had also used SPATAN to target the main body of anomalous structure. The results were interesting to say the least. The background was starting to come through parts of the main column. This was difficult to show on screen so I  elected to hold back on that info for the moment until I could be clear what was going on. It was as if the structure was made of glass and JPL tampered out most of the translucency.

This statement by me may've caused a little confusion..
I meant to say , best ice seen so far!

That was a play on words. I was wanting, in the back of my mind, to say
Best Ive seen so far! But after detecting more strange focus points on image, I found myself thinking about the transparency of the find while typing that out.. Maybe you picked up on this and went somewhere with it?

I threw this in to show that there are clear structures that the public can relate to. even though they may not understand what they're are viewing.

Anyways.. Thats it.  I spread myself thinly between a few sites. I have lots of emails and try to deal with a lot of imaging questions and queries from me too.
Cheers
TW

I meant to say , best ice seen so far!So what did you mean by this then? I thought this was what you were trying to get us to find. Because it was a ghostly like shape and virtually clear, I thought you meant that it was like ice - see-through.

If it was something else you wanted us to see/find, then what was it you found?

Not my discovery at all, but possibly the one thewatcher was trying to get us to find in the first post.

We will have to wait for him to come back and show us the result we should have got. I do not know if I have found all that there was to find in that part of the picture.

OK, since no-one has apparently managed to see this, I will try and describe what is there.  I took the picture in the first post and 'processed' it to reveal what I think thewatcher has seen.

It is the outline of a mans head as outlined by me in green. It is really quite subtle and I feel there could be other similar images superimposed on this one, although I am not sure. The yellow line appears to mark some kind of join and the red outline - well, I am not sure what that is.

The human profile is very life-like and it is a big coincidence if this is just a case of pareidolia.

If it is not a coincidence, then we have to ask ourselves how it got there?

The picture I have processed is here in case the forum software or the size of dots on our screen does not enable us to see it.

Vehicles to travel on water and land, very common on Mars.
This could be two things perhaps.

Chandre wrote:

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TW, your link points to another image ?

Found the right one here...

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA02695.jpg

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So sorry .. Late nights.. too many craters..
On top of image gives dif res versions..

Browse Image | Medium Image (325 kB) | Large (6.3 MB)


The Anomaly


Cheers Chandre for picking that up..

TW

 

Here are some things worth giving attention, though I do not defined it in detail I would like to point out that the craters are not as common on Mars and on the Moon and NASA wants us to believe. This is a process that NASA uses to color your world of ideas to make you unable to think independently.

Dependence and mental wandering individuals may tell you to educate yourself in those studies that NASA offers, but the truth is that there is no equivalent static educational program to discuss, just broken collection of wicked ideas.

Well back to work....

 

I meant to say , best ice seen so far!

Take care guys.
Remeber, the biggest enemy of science is common sense.

We are not alone...

Your faithful hunter.
TW